Allen Ruff’s guest is historian and public intellectual Alfred McCoy. He’s the Harrington Professor of History at the University of Wisconsin- Madison, and author of several books, including The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia and Policing America’s Empire: The United States, the Philippines, and the Rise of the Surveillance State.

The two discuss his recent piece on President Trump and the decline of the United States’ empire, titled “The World According to Trump: Or, How to Build a Wall and Lose an Empire.“