On today’s show, Esty Dinur looks at Gina Haspel, the controversial nominee to become the permanent Director of the CIA who had her confirmation hearing this week, and who has faced intense criticism over her involvement in torture at a CIA black site in Thailand in 2002. First, she speaks with journalist Brett Wilkins, who wrote about the history of torture in the United States for CounterPunch. Then we hear from Ray McGovern, a veteran CIA analyst for 27 years. In the eighties, he chaired the National Intelligence Estimates and prepared the President’s Daily Brief. Now, he’s an activist on intelligence-related issues, and this week at Haspel’s confirmation hearing, he was forcibly removed and subsequently arrested for protesting Haspel’s history of waterboarding. His recent piece on the issue is titled “Will a Torturer Become CIA Director?“