Lilada Gee takes another look at the messy process of forgiveness, with Dr. Jennifer Rounds-Bryant, a psychologist out of North Carolina specializing in forgiveness, who is working with Gillian this month on a forgiveness issue. Together, they look at the things holding you, the listener, back and the quest to let these things go.

Also discussed: Trump’s racist comments on shithole countries, Oprah’s presidential prospects and Michael Steele’s response, looking at consent after allegations against Aziz Ansari, Dr. Jenn’s forgiveness strategy, and how grieving is a process,.