The BLM wants to get rid of wild horses on public land, and American Wild Horse Campaign is suing them. For the first part of the show, Esty talks with Suzanne Roy about the rounding up the horses. Suzanne is the executive director of AWHC.

In the second half of the show, we talk with NYU professor Charlton McIlwain. He tells us about his new book, Black Software, the history Black computer developers and the internet’s role in creating community. They also discuss the use of technology by government organizations to oppress Black folks.